Dear friends,
I want to let you
know about some important things which have transpired in my life over the past
four years. But before I begin, I only ask that you read the entirety of this
letter before replying to me, if you do. As you know, I was a devoted believer
in Christianity. I was raised in a very religious environment. I went to a
Christian school. I was in church a few times a week and at the age of twenty I
made a serious commitment to Jesus Christ. I soon moved to Pensacola, FL to
earn a degree from the Brownsville Revival School of Ministry (now called F.I.R.E. School
of Ministry). I went on mission trips to Uganda, Kenya and Greece. I toured
Israel and Jordan. I lead street evangelism teams for two years in Pensacola. I
was an active part of the Evangelism Team at my home church. After that, I
married and moved to Kansas City, MO. to be a part of a house church plant team. We were actively a part
of this for seven years and having four amazing children along the way.
From the age of twenty,
I developed a love for the Bible because I believed it was the infallible,
inerrant, holy word of God. What could be more fascinating than a book that
came to humanity from the Creator Himself? So, apart from my education at the
Bible school, I regularly studied the entire Bible. I learned to read and write
Hebrew. But I only understood enough Hebrew to teach Sunday school, scare off Jehovah
Witnesses and perform Jewish holiday rituals with my friends and family. I
would read commentaries many times over. I collected and read a library of
books about God and the Bible. In short, I treated the Bible for what it
claimed to be: the very words of God. I truly had strong faith in the Bible and
in God.
During that time I
gained a wealth of life experience learning what the Christian life actually
is, both in community oriented house church and the more traditional
denominational styled churches. I enjoyed poring over the teachings of Dr.
Michael L. Brown, Art Katz, David Stern, Mike Bickle, Lee Stroble, Josh
McDowell, Craig Keener, Walter Kaiser, F. F. Bruce, Henry Morris, and many
other authors. I would regularly read articles from the monthly publication of
the Institute for
Creation Research. I loved watching Kent Hovind Creationist videos,
memorizing their content.
Over time, my
understanding of the Bible grew and developed. It took years, but eventually, I
came to the unfortunate realization that most people were not interested in any
serious study of the Bible. When confronted with information that is new or
different than what they already believed to be true, people typically viewed
that information, and the speaker, with suspicion or disbelief. From what I experienced, facts didn’t
matter, logic didn’t matter. Nothing mattered to most people except what they
were raised to believe or what their church does or does not teach. No
questioning allowed.
This pushed me to
investigate what caused this behavior. I discovered that there were proven
neurological and psychological explanations for this. As it turns out, it
has been “hard wired” into our brains to believe in things without evidence and
to reject information that runs contrary to what we believe. We are also
designed to believe what our trusted leaders have taught us. Today, we
‘inherit’ our beliefs from our church, our parents and our culture. Believing
what we’re taught and not trusting strangers, not eating what your parents tell
you not to eat and doing what you’re told, these can all protect us from many
dangers. Believing and having faith “paid off.” This makes sense considering
that in the ancient past a person who fled from a rustling in the bushes
because he possessed a healthy fear of danger was likely to live long enough to
pass on his genes to future generations. Conversely, someone who didn’t believe
that the source of the noise was dangerous would have been far more likely to
be killed by a predator the time when it actually was one. Blindly believing
what your elders taught you and having a creative, believing imagination would prove to be a life saver in many
situations. Hence, the genetic coding for belief, fear and faith naturally
became dominant traits in the human population.
Being that the Bible
teaches that a person must have faith in the gospel in order to be saved, I
developed an interest in the psychology and the science of how the human mind goes
about believing in something. This is the most important function of the human
mind. After all, eternity in heaven or in hell depended on believing.
After studying the Bible
and Creationism for years, in my spare time I began online discussions with people
on C.A.R.M (Christian
Apologetics and Research Ministry). One day I joined a discussion thread about
evolution versus Creationism instead of my usual discussions
about eschatology or ecclesiology. Having a thorough background in Creationism,
I couldn’t imagine how anyone could reject the idea. That fateful day
introduced me to a whole new world- a world where real science challenged my
views of the Bible.
I began talking to credentialed
scientists on C.A.R.M.. They were willing to cordially, thoroughly and
successfully refute every single Creationist claim that I could throw at them.
They directed me to websites designed to help people who were indoctrinated
with Creationism. So I carefully read every single entry in the Talk
Origins Archive. Then I began reading reputable books that explained
the evidences for the theory of evolution and the Big Bang. A paradigm shift
that began in my mind. I was shocked that so many Creationists were flat out
‘lying for Jesus.’ I couldn’t deny the reality that the evidence all pointed to
the truth of the theory of evolution and the Big Bang being accurate and fair
descriptions of the world. These beautiful explanations weren’t fictitious
fairy tales as I was taught. But Creationism indeed was a fairy tale. It was
undeniable. I felt embarrassed. Admitting this to other Christians made me feel
a bit alienated from them. Some were concerned and thought that I was
misled or distracted by frivolity. But I knew these things were true. It was
not a matter of belief anymore.
Eventually I found at I
thought was a reasonable way of interpreting the Genesis creation account as
divinely inspired mythology intended to explain the world to Bronze Age and
Iron Age audiences. But that left me with insurmountable problems trying to
figure out what I was to think of the rest of the Bible. Since God clearly
allowed for fictitious mythology to be one style of literature he spoke
through, where did the fiction end and the historical record begin? This led me
to search until I found reasonable answers. What exactly is it that I am having
faith in? And if Christianity is so reasonable, why is faith necessary at all?
It was while studying I
came to a startling realization. I had never applied the same truth tests to my
own beliefs that I had to those of other religions! This is why I fell for
Creationism in the first place. Whenever I talked to Muslims, Jehovah’s
Witnesses or Mormons, I would challenge them to test their beliefs. “If
something is true, you don’t have to be afraid of questioning it." I
would tell them, “If something is really true, it will stand up to
testing.”
In my walk with the
Lord, I strove to live a life of holiness– rejecting false doctrines and
practices which didn’t line up with my understanding of God’s word and avoiding
being a gullible follower who is “swept to and fro by every wind of doctrine.” Eph.
4:14. What I hadn’t ever done, though, was to critically examine and
test the foundation of my own faith – the Bible. Being raised as a Christian,
from childhood, I had always accepted that it was the inspired, inerrant,
revealed Word of God. I realized if I were to be thoroughly prepared to make a
defense of my faith (as the Bible commands believers to do in 1 Thes. 5:21, 2 Tim. 2:15, and 1 Pet. 3:15), both to those who claimed to have other
authoritative holy books (such as the Book of Mormon or the Quran) and to
skeptics and atheists who rejected all holy books, then I needed to be prepared
with answers. I needed to make a thorough examination of how we know that the Bible was indeed God’s
revelation to humanity. I needed to apply the same tests that I would use to
show people of other faiths that their sacred writings were not inspired by
God:
- Are the events it describes supported by historical and
archeological evidence?
- Is it internally consistent and without error or
contradiction?
- Are its prophecies and promises clearly fulfilled?
- Does it correctly explain the world in light of what we
know to be true from science?
- Does it have characteristics that only a divinely
inspired book could have or not?
- Is its revelation unique or does it borrow from other
religions or philosophies?
- Does it provide satisfactory evidence for the
extraordinary claims it makes?
- Does it provide clear, objective moral standards?
- Does it describe a God worthy of worship?
In other words, if I was
a complete outsider, trying to decide between the different religions and their
holy books, would the Bible pass the tests and stand alone as being a true and
trustworthy communication from God? As I re-examined the Bible, I was
completely confident that it would stand the test and clearly prove itself to
be God’s revealed word. As a result I would be better equipped to make a bold
defense of the faith to those who asked. I felt encouraged by certain
statements in the Bible. “When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide
you into all the truth.” John 16:13. “For God did not give us
a spirit of fear…” 2
Tim. 1:7. There was nothing to fear and every reason to expect to
discover amazing truths. “Seek and ye shall find.” I decided
to also investigate the claims of science, the occult and other faiths because
they were the “strongholds” of Satan that so successfully enslaved so many
people.
Imagine how I felt as my
studies began to reveal the exact opposite of my expectations. In fact, the
Bible eventually failed in every area
of testing. It was as if I had begun pulling on a loose thread which ultimately
unraveled the whole sweater. Before this, I honestly never had even one doubt
about the Bible being God’s perfect revelation to us, not even for a moment. It
was relatively easy to see the errors of other religions and their holy books.
I even had a number of dramatic religious experiences that seemed to validate
my faith. “Experiencing God” through sensational feelings and emotional
experiences was something that I could honestly say happened to me many times.
But those subjective experiences weren't nearly enough to satisfy my need
for evidence. It also made no sense to me that other Christians had little
or no interest in the Bible or apologetics. Didn’t they believe that Almighty
God gave us a perfect book? What could be more interesting than that? What better
way to strengthen our faith than to prove its truth?
Even though I benefited
from my education and personal studies, they had failed to provide satisfactory
answers for the things which began to trouble me. In 2010, when I realized that
I had been applying a different standard of truth to my own faith, I was faced
with a choice: suppress all my questions from that point on or begin to ask the
questions and follow the truth wherever it led. I chose to pursue truth. After
all, 1 Thes. 5:21 admonishes us to “test
everything” and Acts
17:11 praises the Bereans for examining the Scriptures to see
if what Paul said was true. 2 Thes. 2:10 speaks of people perishing
because they “refused to love the truth.” It was the right
thing to do. "Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that
needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth." 2 Tim.
2:15.
I came to the place
where I felt that the only reasonable course of action was to once and for
all to seriously consider and test the claims against my faith from atheists’
and the from science. I began a deliberate and intense study of how the Old
Testament and New Testament scriptures came to be collected into the Bible. I
explored the conflict between scientific evidence and the two different creation
and flood accounts in Genesis, the early history of Christianity, the way the
gospels agreed and differed in their accounts of the life of Jesus, the beliefs
of other ancient cultures which the Hebrews came in contact with, historical
and archeological evidence for the biblical stories and the way that the Old
and New Testaments differed both in their portrayal of God and their concepts
of the afterlife.
I also listened to
numerous debates between leading Christian apologists and skeptics. I was
shocked that the apologists seemed to never once actually prove a point. Why couldn’t
they? The Holy Spirit is supposed to give us the words to say. I was rooting
for the losers (Christian apologists) every single time. I bought a host of
books and read through them all. Michael Shermer, Ian Tattersall, Sam Harris, Stephen
Hawking, Bart Ehrman, Jerry Coyne, Richard Dawkins, Eugenie Scott, Daniel Dennett, Victor Stenger, Gerald L. Schroeder and others
were the authors that I read.
I went back through the
Bible and began reading with deliberately “fresh eyes,” noticing mounting
problems which I had somehow ignored, justified or glossed over for years. My
pursuit of the truth was leading to conclusions which I never expected might be
true: The Bible was not an inspired revelation of God.
Instead, it is a contradictory collection of books written by very human
authors, each with their own viewpoints and agendas, each edited and redacted
by later authors. Many biblical writers disagreed with what others had written.
For example, in Galatians, Paul teaches salvation by faith alone,
not by works or obeying God’s Torah/Law. In contrast, Jesus, James, and the
author of Revelation all clearly teach that our standing with God and our
eternal destination is based on works, and keeping God’s Law (James
2:24, Matt. 5:19, Matt. 25:31-46, Mark 10:18-25, Rev. 20:11-12). Furthermore, in Acts
17:30, Paul claims “In the past God overlooked people’s
ignorance, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent.” But
in Rom. 1: 18-32, Paul spells out just how God has
always held all people accountable for their faith and obedience or lack
thereof since the beginning of Creation. No one was ignorant of God. Rom.
1:19. They can't both be
correct.
Does the Bible describe
a god worthy of worship? The god presented in the Bible (especially the Old
Testament) is a frequently angry, violent and genocidal tyrant who causes far
more suffering and death than what is attributed to the Devil. The prominent evolutionary
biologist, Richard Dawkins said, “The God of the Old Testament is
arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it;
a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic
cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal,
filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously
malevolent bully.” Richard
Dawkins. These words are very
harsh, but I began to realize that they were also very true. If you don’t
believe me, read through the first five books of the Old Testament again. Do a
body count. The “anger of the Lord”
is mentioned nearly two hundred times in the Old Testament! If there’s one
thing God is consistent with, it’s overreacting to sin. For example, Adam and
Eve disobeyed one trivial command not to eat certain fruit, and God curses
suffering and death onto the entire human race for all time. David takes a
census and as punishment God kills thousands of innocent Israelites (Or was it
Satan? There are two conflicting versions of the story). God behaved more like
a child flying into a rage and knocking over his toys; wiping out all living
things (Noah’s flood), wanting to wipe out the people of Israel (Moses had to
calm God down and talk Him out of it in Exod. 32:9-14,) or killing tens of thousands of
his beloved Israelites whenever they offended Him. Also, God routinely ordered
the slaughter of innocent men, women, children, babies, and even animals – as
the Israelites invaded the Promised Land. The only ones who were spared were
the virgin girls who would become the property of Israelite men. In the Bible,
women are chattel- especially non-Israelite women.
The Bible says that God
will resurrect all the sinners to be thrown bodily in the Lake of Fire (Rev. 20:10) where they will be tormented
with unceasing anguish for eternity in the presence of Jesus and the
angels. “The smoke of their torment will rise up before Him
continually (Rev. 14:10-11).” Could a good god tolerate
witnessing the endless suffering of his children like this? In Revelation 9, God practices torture by allowing demonic scorpion like
creatures to cause people agonizing suffering for 5 months. At the same time,
He prevents people from dying as an escape. God apparently has an affinity for
torturing his children. Next, God causes the death of 1/3 of mankind – by the current
population of the planet that would be about 2 billion people!
Even gentle Jesus, meek
and mild, regularly preached threats about a fiery Hell and its torments
which awaited those who refused to believe in him, something foreign to every
single author of the old Testament. In the book of Revelation, Jesus is
symbolically depicted as returning to Earth with a sword coming out of his
mouth, and his robe soaked in his enemies’ blood. By the end of chapter 19, his slaughter has amassed multitudes
of corpses that vultures gorge themselves on. In chapter 14, the blood of the
dead whom God slaughtered flows as high as a horse’s bridle. The book of
Revelation is an orgy of violence and divine vengeance. Just like the
“Christian” torturers of the Inquisition, God afflicts people with a variety of
horrible punishments to try to get
them to change their beliefs and worship Him. Of course an all-knowing God
would already know that that they
would not change, so the torture serves no purpose other than indulging
God’s overbearing fury. And yet John
3:17 ironically says of Jesus, "God did not send
his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might
be saved through him.” The god of Revelation has the worst traits of
Hitler, Kim ll Sung, Pol Pot, Joseph Stalin and Osama Bin Laden all rolled
into one. Hitler’s ovens burned the dead bodies and were finite, but God’s
fiery ovens burn His living victims for eternity. According to Christian
beliefs, both Hitler and his ‘unsaved’ Jewish victims will be roasting together
in the endless torments of Hell! Think about it. Is that a good god? Is this
justice? No.
God would also
manipulate people by provoking them to actions (2 Sam. 24:1) or hardening their hearts, so that He could bring
judgment upon them. God could have easily freed Israel from Egypt’s slavery by
killing Pharaoh when he refused to let them go. But Exodus says that God “hardened
Pharaoh’s heart” so that He could “deal harshly with the
Egyptians (Exod. 10:1-2).” He causes people to believe lies
(2 Thes. 2:11) and causes prophets to utter lies (1 Kings 22:23.) As the book of Job exemplifies,
people are nothing but pawns for God to toy with in his narcissistic games
of proving himself to the devil. In fact, if the theological views of Calvinism are correct, God creates millions of people for the sole purpose of torturing them in Hell forever in order to somehow bring him glory. They have no choice in the matter. God chooses for them. Now that God is truly a monster of unimaginable proportions.
Playing favorites with
the Patriarchs, God made a pattern of punishing the innocent while overlooking
the sins of the guilty. Consider 2 Samuel 2 where David sins with Bathsheba. As
punishment, God decrees that David’s innocent wives will be publicly raped and then He kills Bathsheba’s innocent baby. But the Law
commands that David ought to have been stoned to death for adultery and murder.
David was never directly punished for his own sins but the people in his life
were instead. On two occasions (Genesis 12 & 20),
Abraham lies about his wife Sarah, passing her off as his sister. But God
punishes the people whom Abraham deceived and never once reprimanded Abraham
for lying. In Genesis 26, Isaac pulls the same exact scam and
God does not judge him for lying either. In Noah’s flood, God kills all the innocent
animals on earth as well as all the human sinners except the few on the ark.
And when the Israelites went into the Promised Land, he often ordered them to
kill the innocent animals in the cities they would conquer. Were the animals
sinners too? In Genesis 9, Noah gets drunk and passed out naked and God said
nothing about it. But his son Ham tells his brothers about it and as a result
Noah curses all Ham’s descendants with being slaves. Talk about over doing it!
“Righteous” Lot (2 Pet. 2:7) offers his daughters to the men of
the town to be raped, and then later they each commit incest with their drunken
father. Yet there was not a word from God about these sins. Lot’s wife looks
over her shoulder while fleeing Sodom’s destruction and is punished by God by
being turned into a pillar of salt (Gen.19). Which is worse – lying, drunkenness,
offering your daughters to be gang raped by strangers, incest, or looking over
your shoulder? It is human curiosity to look when something unusual is
happening – such as an accident on the side of the road. Lot’s wife is punished
with death by salt (?) simply for being inquisitive. Again, the woman in the
story gets the worst of it.
In the Bible, women are typically
treated especially harshly by God. Women always seem to be a source of trouble
for men in the Bible. A woman was blamed for
leading Adam astray. Women have more divinely sanctioned laws with capital
punishment applicable to them but inapplicable to men which call for their
stoning, burning them alive, and medically dangerous forced abortions (Num. 5:11-31). Women are chattel. Read Exodus 21
again and imagine living in an inhumane, brutal, barbaric society such as is
described there. Is selling your daughters as sex slaves (Exod. 21:7-11), human trafficking (verses
1-11) and beating your slaves within an inch of their lives (verses
20-21) to be considered the highest possible moral standard that
could only have come from an infinitely wise and loving God? Absolutely not.
What Christian today would approve of slavery?
In the Old Testament,
God is spoken of as if He has a body and as if He has limited knowledge and
other human traits. For example, He has to ‘go down’ to see the tower of Babel.
Later he goes down to see if Sodom is really as bad as He has heard. He
apparently doesn’t know whether it is or not; “Then the LORD said,
"The outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is so great and their sin so
grievous that I will go down and see if what they have done is as bad as the
outcry that has reached me. If not, I will know." (Gen.
18:20) Yahweh eats dinner with Abraham and bargains with him (Gen.
18.) He wrestles with Jacob and cannot best him (Gen. 32:22-30.) Apparently annoyed that Moses has
not circumcised his son, Yahweh, in apparently human form, meets him as he
travels to Egypt to carry God’s message to Pharaoh, and tries to kill him (Exod.
4)! His capitol offense? Not circumcising his son. Fortunately Moses
is saved by the actions of his quick-thinking wife who then apparently
separated Moses in a fit of anger. She saved him by circumcising his adult son.
The irony is, that in verse 19 of
this same chapter, God had told Moses that it was safe to go back to Egypt
since all the men who wanted to kill him are dead. Then, a little while later,
God Himself tried to kill him! What the Bible says about God is often in gross
conflict with what Christians now believe about Him.
Most of the Old
Testament ‘history’ of Israel is not supported by archeological and historical
evidence – rather it is in fact contradicted by it. Archeologists can’t even
agree on what century the Exodus was supposed to have happened – there is no evidence whatsoever for the Exodus and
yet several million Hebrews were supposed to have camped in a certain desert for
40 years. Then Israel conquered numerous cities in Canaan. There isn't a trace of evidence in the Red Sea
that God drowned Pharaoh's armies there. Some of these cities which Israel is
said to have conquered didn’t even exist yet in the general time frame when the
Exodus is supposed to have happened. Others were gone long before they were
supposedly conquered by Israel. Again, no evidence of a conquest exists as
there ought to be plenty.
The Biblical ‘history’
of Israel often bears more resemblance to fantastical folk tales. Like the
insecure child who brags about grossly inflated claims of his accomplishments,
the Old Testament writers made inflated claims about their nation’s history in
order to elevate their nation’s status. This is evident when comparing
different biblical accounts of the same events. The later written account
contains inflated numbers and exaggerated events. Some of the Old Testament
historical writings which are parallel accounts contain contradictory claims
about the same event. For example, who killed Goliath? Was it David (1 Sam. 17:50) or Elhanan (2 Sam. 21:19)? Did Saul inquire of the Lord (1 Sam. 28:6) or not (1 Chron. 10:13-14)? Did Satan inspire David to
take a census (1 Chron. 21:1) or did God (2 Sam. 24:1)? Did Asa remove the high places (2 Chron. 14:2)
or not (1 Kings 15:14)? These kinds of contradictions show that the Old
Testament contains ‘historical’ writings compiled from sources which disagreed
with each other.
The New Testament only
fares slightly better in that certain names, locations and buildings have been
archaeologically confirmed. But, Roman and Jewish records of the time either
contradict or fail to mention the most important events in the gospels. There
is no archeological evidence for the census in Jesus’ birth narrative, no
evidence for Herod killing the infant boys in Bethlehem, absolutely no evidence
that a ‘star’ ever appeared that could somehow point to one house in Bethlehem
and lead people all the way from far off from Persia to Jesus' front door.
And no extra-biblical evidence for Jesus healing multitudes of people
on a regular basis. In fact, Jesus was one of a host of men who were
heralded as Messiahs in first century Judea. If such an extraordinary person
such as Jesus ever existed and said and did the things that the gospels claim
he did, one would expect that historians and political rulers of the first
century would have left records mentioning him. But outside of the New
Testament there is not a shred of evidence that Jesus ever even existed.
The Jewish religion
changed and adapted over the course of history and was heavily influenced by
the pagan beliefs of the nations they came in contact with. There is convincing
archeological evidence that the Jews embraced a form of polytheism (called
monolatry – believing other gods existed, but Yahweh was the only one they were
to worship) for much of the Old Testament, moving eventually to the belief in
the existence of only one God, which was enforced in the Second Temple era
under King Josiah. Before that, archeology and a few places in Genesis strongly
hint that God originally had a consort/wife named Asherah,
whose idols found all over Israel date to the centuries before King Josiah's
reforms. In Genesis, God and His wife are alluded to when humans were created
in God's "image" as both a male and a female. “Then God said, “Let
us make man in our image, after our likeness…
So God created man in his own image… male and female he
created them.” (Gen 1:26-27). Interestingly, one of the Hebrew names for God,
El, was the name of the head god of their Canaanite neighbors’ pantheon of
gods. El had a son called Baal and a wife named Asherah who is mentioned in the
Old Testament also. Pure monotheism occurred very late in Israel’s Old
Testament history.
The Creation and Flood
accounts in the Bible are clearly retellings of even more ancient Babylonian
stories which have been discovered in the last century. Look up The
Epic of Gilgamesh and the story of Atra-Hasis and be amazed. The Israelites
definitely would have come into contact with these stories during their Babylonian
exile and captivity – interestingly this is the same time period in which most
scholars think that much of the Old Testament was written – around the 6th
century before Jesus. This explains why Exodus and Joshua have their history
and geography all confused.
The authors of the New
Testament appropriated the Jewish religion and scriptures in much the same way
that Joseph Smith would later hijack Christianity and Bible to start Mormonism;
building on it, adding new revelations and reinterpreting the previous beliefs.
Christianity was also influenced by pagan religions, freely borrowing from the
Greeks and Romans and later coinciding Christian holidays with pagan festivals.
Christianity itself has changed and adapted over the centuries also. Originally
it looked much different and had more disparate doctrines than it does now. The
discovery of the ancient manuscripts in the Nag Hammadi library, Paul’s
frequent diatribes against other apostles and gospels, and the attacks on
various “heretical sects” in the writings of the early church fathers show that
early Christianity contained many competing gospels and varying ideas about
Jesus. Eventually, certain writings and views of Jesus became dominant and the
others were marginalized or destroyed. This process took centuries before there
was a distinct, what is now called “orthodox” Christian doctrine or codified New
Testament of any kind.
The gospel accounts of
the life of Jesus often contradict each other in key areas regarding chronology
of events and details of the birth, life, death and resurrection of Jesus. For
example, Matthew claims that Joseph and Mary already
lived in Bethlehem before the birth of Jesus. After the visit from the Magi,
they fled to Egypt to escape Herod. After Herod’s death, they moved to Nazareth
because Joseph was afraid to live in Judea. Conversely, In Luke,
they live in Nazareth, and go to Bethlehem because of a census (which was
not included in any of the historians' records of the day). After
performing the temple ceremonies for their newborn son, they return to Nazareth
to live. No trip to Egypt as in Matthew. Were Matthew and Luke trying to make
Jesus’ birth in Bethlehem (to supposedly fulfill prophecy) and still admit that
Jesus was from Nazareth? The birth and childhood narratives of Matthew and Luke
have numerous irreconcilable details.
For more contradictions,
compare the resurrection accounts. Who went to Jesus’ tomb? What did they see
there and what did they do after that? Each gospel clearly gives different,
conflicting, irreconcilable details. It is therefore evident that the
gospel writers cannot be trusted to give us accurate information about Jesus.
These conflicting gospel's accounts cannot all be true -
at least three of them must be false. If God had inspired the
Bible, wouldn’t he also make sure that writers got their stories straight in
the most important details? I challenge you to examine and compare the
resurrection accounts. You will see what I am saying to be true.
Paul, who wrote much of
the New Testament and shaped the core of Christian theology, never even claimed
to have met Jesus in person. According to Galatians chapter one, after his
conversion, Paul didn’t even meet with any of the Apostles until 13 years later
when he supposedly spent two weeks with Peter and met James. Paul claims that
he received his revelation and apostleship directly by revelations from
Jesus through the Old Testament scriptures. Now contrast this with Acts
1:21 where the criterion for picking a replacement for the
deceased apostle Judas was to be a man who had actually been with Jesus and the
disciples during the whole time of his ministry. Plus they apparently wanted
only twelve apostles, not thirteen or more. Why would God pass over the
disciples who had lived with Jesus, observing his life and ministry, and
instead choose a complete stranger in another country with no firsthand
knowledge of Jesus, to shape Christianity and write most of the New Testament?
More importantly, why didn’t Jesus prophesy details of Saul’s conversion: the
calling of an outsider to be the Apostle to the Gentiles and to expound the
hidden mysteries of the new faith? This would have prepared the disciples to
accept Paul, reduced the conflict between Paul’s gospel and the practices of
the Jerusalem church and it would have been a powerful prophetic proof to the
early believers. Jesus predicted the coming of the Holy Spirit but not the
coming of Paul. And if the New Testament is to be believed, Paul was far more
successful than the Holy Spirit was at guiding believers into truth, John
16:13.
The ‘proofs’ of biblical
inspiration and of Jesus’ divinity are all dependent upon circular reasoning.
The fact that biblical writers claimed
they were speaking for God is not proof that they actually
were, any more than Joseph Smith’s claim that he was restoring the true faith
proves the Book of Mormon is inspired. People often fail to recognize that just
because the gospels say that Jesus said or did something, doesn’t prove that
Jesus actually said or did it. It just means that’s what the gospel writers are
claiming. Let’s be honest. We have absolutely no corroboration of the
gospels' stupendous claims outside the writings of those who were founding
the Christian religion.
There is one passage in
Flavius Josephus’ Antiquities of the Jews which alludes to Jesus being the
Messiah and being raised from the dead, but this is not quoted by any of the
early Christian writers in their attempts to persuade pagans (as they surely
would have if that passage was in the original, unedited writings of Josephus)
and Origen flatly states that Josephus did not
regard Jesus as the Messiah. This being the case, it is unlikely that Josephus
would have referred to Jesus in such manner, casting serious doubt on the
authenticity of the passage. Thus, many scholars (including a reputable
theologian who taught me in Bible school) think that Christian
scribes added their own
thoughts when hand copying Josephus. The earliest reference to
this disputed passage is in 324 AD.
The doctrines of hell, a
final judgment, the apocalypse and a spiritual battle with an evil Devil
and his army of fallen angels do not originate from divine revelation, but were
obviously introduced to the Jews by the Persian Zoroastrian religion,
during their exile there. This is why the parts of the Old Testament written in
earlier times and in other places contain no such teachings. Through much of
the Old Testament, the Hebrews did not believe in an afterlife or a judgment
after death. Good and evil, blessing and curses, sickness and health all came
from God and were administered in this life. When they were conquered, it was
not because the God of Israel was weak against the other gods, but that he was
punishing the Hebrews for their unfaithfulness. By the time of Jesus, this view
had changed. Contact with Babylonian, Persian and Greek cultures had radically
altered the Hebrews’ worldview. It came to be believed that people had immortal
souls (contrary to Eccles. 9:5) and sickness and suffering came from the Devil
who persecuted God’s people in this life. There would be a resurrection and a
final judgment. Reward or punishment would come in the afterlife. The world
would end in a fiery apocalypse. The Sadducees, who held more to the
original Jewish beliefs, did not accept this new idea of a resurrection and
were more in line with Jewish beliefs in the older Old Testament times. Jewish
thought incorporated concepts like Hades and Tartarus from Greek mythology and
these were added into the New Testament, even retaining their Greek names!
Hades was the god of Tartarus, the horrible underworld of the wicked
dead, or Hell. Remember all the teachings about heaven and hell, salvation
and eternity in the Old Testament? Neither do I because they're not there at
all.
The Apocryphal Book
of 1 Enoch heavily influenced Jewish
thinking in the two centuries before Jesus and also shaped Christian thinking
in the decades after Jesus. This book elaborates on the angelic “Sons of God”
in Genesis 6, claiming to reveal details of their
sexual coupling with human women (again, women are the source of trouble),
their teaching the arts of makeup and adornment, spell-casting, weapon-making
and other forbidden arts. Supposedly the monstrous giant, 450 foot tall,
man-eating offspring of these sexual unions (the Nephilim) were the reason
God destroyed the Earth with a flood. According to Enoch, when the giants were
killed in the Flood their spirits were released upon the Earth and are free to
roam around oppressing and tormenting people as unclean spirits (demons) until
the final judgment. The angels who sinned were imprisoned in chains of darkness
in the Earth. Jude 1:6 refers to this, as does 2 Peter 2:4. Jude 1:14-15 directly quotes from 1 Enoch
1:9, "And behold! He cometh with ten thousands of His holy ones To
execute judgement upon all, And to destroy all the ungodly: And to convict all
flesh Of all the works of their ungodliness which they have ugodly committed,
And of all the harsh things which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him."
It is interesting to note that Jude, 2 Peter, and Revelation (all influenced by
the Book of 1 Enoch) were disputed or rejected by Christians much
later, as not genuinely inspired, as the early church historian Eusebius notes.
By the mid to late fourth century, enough Christians had accepted these books
that they were included in the canon of what was considered inspired Scripture.
The Book of Enoch was widely accepted during the first three centuries of
Christianity, as evidenced by many writings of the church Fathers which quote
from it. Bishop Tertullian called it “Scripture” and defended its legitimacy
based in the fact that Jude quotes from it. Eventually Enoch was rejected from
the ‘official’ canon of Scripture, although it remains part of the Ethiopian
Orthodox Bible.
Scholars believe that
the gospels were written over a range of 30 to 70+ years after the death of
Jesus. The earliest preserved copy we have is a small fragment of the Gospel of John which dates to
around 100 years after the death of Jesus. The next partial copies date 200
years after Jesus. The earliest complete manuscript copies date from the mid,
3rd century. Due to these time gaps, there is no way to know whether the
information contained in the gospels about Jesus is accurate, whether they were
even written by people who knew Jesus (the average lifespan was around 40 years
at that time), or whether they are
accurate copies of the original writings. Considering the fact that each gospel
writer seems to have his own agenda in the way Jesus is portrayed and that the
gospels do contradict each other in important ways,
they certainly don’t seem trustworthy.
The supposed
‘fulfillments of prophecy’ consist of the Gospel writers taking Old Testament
scriptures out of context and then telling the Jesus story in such a way as to
show them ‘coming to pass.’ Matthew is so intent on presenting Jesus as
fulfilling scripture, that he makes a revealing mistake. He
misunderstands Zech. 9:9 and has Jesus riding on two
animals simultaneously – a donkey and her colt, due to his using the different
wording of the Greek Septuagint instead of the Hebrew Torah because he apparently
couldn’t read Hebrew. The other three gospels say that he rode on one animal.
This is a clear example of the writings in the Bible being of human origin. Not
one gospel or Acts explains the most important Christian doctrine, the atonement.
Not one gospel nor Acts explains any “plan of salvation” either. These things
obviously came separately, from Paul.
When comparing all of
the ancient manuscripts of the New Testament it is clear that there are no two copies that are the same.
Numerous types of copyist errors are the rule, not the exception. Verses and
words are added, deleted, altered and reworded to fit the intentions of the
copyist or purely by mistake. Marginal notes were inserted and merged into the
Biblical text and sometimes moved around. The text evolves to fit more
‘orthodox’ views of the scribes as time went on. There is no way to discern
exactly what the original texts actually said when they were copied and
recopied, complete with mounting errors, over and over again over the
centuries. If you doubt any of this, simply investigate to see if what I am
saying is true. I can refer you to my sources of anything I've written here if
necessary.
Scholars consider Mark
to be the gospel written closest to the time of Jesus (only about 30-35 years
after). Mark presents a very different, more human view of Jesus. In the other
gospels which were written even further away from the time of Christ, the
stories about Jesus become more miraculous and elaborate. This is similar to
the way in which larger- than-life mythologies develop around famous historical
figures in the years after their death. Just compare Mark to John (which was
written much later). In Mark, there is no virgin birth or childhood, no Joseph
as Jesus’ father (Jesus is called “son of Mary.”), Jesus is not said to be
divine, no promise of the Holy Spirit to come later, no new teachings about
love and on the cross Jesus dies in despair saying nothing except
asking God why He has forsaken him. In the oldest and closest to the original
copies of Mark, there are no accounts of anyone seeing a resurrected Jesus as
Matthew, Luke, and John later reported. Mark simply abruptly ends with “Do
not be alarmed. You seek Jesus of Nazareth, who was crucified. He has risen; he
is not here. See the place where they laid him. But go, tell his disciples and
Peter that he is going before you to Galilee. There you will see him, just as
he told you.” And they went out and fled from the tomb, for trembling and
astonishment had seized them, and they said nothing.” (Mk
16:6-8) Later, Matthew, Luke, and John reported that Jesus appeared
to his followers and he appeared in and near Jerusalem, not in faraway Galilee
as Mark predicted. In the later three gospels, differing accounts of different
people with different, conflicting accounts of what happened at the empty tomb
all say that people went and told others
what they saw, in contradiction with Mark where the women
"fled... and said nothing."
Jesus wrongly predicted
that he would return with angels for the final judgment within the lifetime of
his disciples (Matt. 16:27-28, Mk 13:24-30). Paul did the same (1 Thes .4:16-17, Phil.
4:5).
If God raised Jesus from
the dead, then He failed to provide convincing proof to the Jews. All Jesus had
to do was show up in the Temple and make a public display that his claims were
true. This would have put an end to the rumor that the disciples had stolen his
body from the tomb. Instead, the Gospels have Jesus appearing covertly, and
only to his core followers. Convenient, isn’t it?
One of the most
disturbing things that became clear in my studies was the character of the God
portrayed in the Bible. In recent years, there have been many efforts to overhaul
God’s reputation and to present a kinder, gentler God who is a kind, loving
Father. Preaching on Hell is not very much in style. In the ‘Visual Bible’
Matthew movie has an actor playing Jesus who smiles and laughs literally all
the time. The huge bestseller book, The Shack, pictures God the
Father as an older mother hen type African-American woman named Papa who
gets a foot rub from Jesus after he spills batter on her. Numerous IHOP (International House of
Prayer in Grandview MO.) styled worship songs beautifully
describe God’s extravagant, infinite love for us. They use
romance-novel language about how God romances and woos us as a man does to a
woman he’s in love with. The Song of Solomon is re-interpreted to be a romance
between Jesus and the church. TV evangelists endlessly preach about Jesus
wanting us all to have health and wealth. All this distraction is needed
because so many times in the Bible, the picture of God portrayed there is truly
horrifying. What kind of god would ask a father to offer his own son as a human
sacrifice, to supposedly test his loyalty? Seriously. This is sick. After
reading the story of Abraham and Isaac, no believer can ever be truly sure that
God would not ask them to commit some equally insane immoral act as a test
of their faith. In Paul’s epistles, as well as in Hebrews and James, Abraham is
held up as the greatest example of faith and virtue because he was fully
willing to carry out the sacrificial murder of his own son. Sadly, there
have been a number of cases in our own time where schizophrenic parents
actually murdered their children because they believed God was telling them to.
For years I have read
sickening news reports about the stonings, hangings, slavery, and executing
women for the crime of being raped, which takes place in some Islamic
countries. The more I thought about it, I realized that many of these
detestable acts were exactly the same as the commands supposedly given by God
to the Israelites, in the Old Testament. (Lev.
24:14, Deut. 21:18-21 & 25:11) Like Christianity, Islam also finds it
roots in the Old Testament faith. The horrific violence which is practiced by
some devoted Muslims in our own time was, according to the Bible, common
practice in ancient Theocratic Israel. These atrocities were reportedly
commanded by God, who is supposed to be the same as the Christian Jesus! As
Christians, we are supposed to view the practitioners of this violence in the
Old Testament as doing God’s righteous will. We have become so conditioned to
the barbaric violence in the Bible, that the Old Testament stories seldom
impact us in a personal way, as if it really happened to real people like us.
We read them through the soft-focus lens of Christian ‘symbolism,’ typology,
and sermon illustrations we’ve all heard time and again. I read various well-respected
theologians’ attempts to explain why God ordered the killing of the Canaanite,
Babylonian, and Egyptian babies. Not one explanation can even remotely justify
this merciless slaughter of innocent babies. By these twisted lines of
‘reasoning,' one could justify that abortion doctors are doing a favor to the
babies whose lives they end, since they are sending them straight to Heaven! I
ask you, what kind of ‘loving’ God would decree that ANY babies would ever be
ripped from their mother’s wombs (Hos. 13:4-8, 16)? In what context is it ever righteous
to order the genocide of innocent people, old and young, men, women and all the
children? Surely and all wise, all powerful and all loving God would find a way
other than to slaughter masses of people.
The more I studied, the
more the contradictions and errors in the Bible multiplied. How could this be?
Why is it wrong to ask these questions? Why did no one have reasonable answers
except unbelievers? Was my God truly the unconditionally loving father
that I was taught He is?
I checked to see how the
‘expert’ theologians and apologists dealt with these problems. I desperately
wanted to find a way to reconcile the faith I had for most of my life, with the
stark reality of what I now knew to be true about the Bible. I expected to find
evidence supporting the veracity of the scriptures. I did not want to abandon
my faith. Throughout this process I was fervently praying with confidence and
faith that God would guide me in truth and give me wisdom and understanding.
The answers I did and
didn’t find all pointed to conclusions I considered with great trepidation and
holy fear. The Christian/Jewish God doesn’t exist. Jesus is not the “son of
God.” Jesus didn’t rise from the dead if he even existed. And there probably is
no god at all. The Bible is just another man made attempt at explaining the
world. I had been reading it through rose colored glasses. If so much of the
Bible was untrue or man-made, where did that leave me and my salvation?
During this season I
felt that God was showing Himself to me as the God who is metaphorically
shrouded in darkness (1 Kings 8:12, II Sam. 22:12, Ps.
18:11, 97:2). I took darkness to represent hiddenness.
This comforted me for a little while knowing that it was a season that would
fulfill its purpose and then things would change. God wouldn't hide Himself
from me forever. But what did the darkness metaphor really mean? Why?
What about the passages that state that God is light? How can he metaphorically
be in light and in darkness at the same time?
In the end, the
conclusion I reached was that in order to love the truth and have any kind of
integrity I would have to reject Christianity and the Bible and view them as
purely human creations which had held people in fear and bondage for thousands
of years. I know that people find comfort in Christianity (or other religions)
in the face of the unknown and the tragedies of life. We crave clear answers
and the illusion of security. We want to have order and an understanding of who
we are and what our purpose is (I.e. The Purpose Driven Life’s
runaway success). These instinctual desires go back to our ancestral roots when
tribal people would sacrifice to please the gods and try to influence their
sometimes merciless and unpredictable environmental factors such as the
weather, crops, success in battle, plagues and fertility.
I can no longer find any
comfort believing in a God who threatens those who don’t worship, love Him
or believe in Him with eternal burning torture. Basically, what Christianity claims is
that God loves you and that he will inflict unimaginable unending suffering on
you if you don’t love him back and do exactly as he says. The most important
commandment is that you believe (Jesus said the greatest commandment is to love
God in Mark 12:30. But Heb.
11:6 says “without faith it is impossible to please
Him, for whoever would draw near to God must believe that He exists and that he
rewards those who seek Him.”). Not believing is a thought crime
punished with eternal torment in Hell. It’s a worse sin than raping or killing
babies. And God sometimes even commands some babies to be killed as a righteous
act of obedience! The church is the bride of Christ. Israel was also pictured
as being married to God. Based on what the Old Testament says about God’s
history with Israel, He comes across as an abusive husband, lashing out in fury
one moment, regretting it, and pouring out blessings in another. I find no
comfort in relating to God as a loving heavenly Father when the history of
Israel is littered with the graves of His children whom He killed. I cannot
trust in a Jesus who supposedly loves children and yet endorses the Old
Testament as inspired by God (Mat 5:17), while it contains a hymnal with a song with lyrics
that say: “Babylon, you are doomed! I pray the Lord's blessings on
anyone who punishes you for what you did to us. May the Lord bless
everyone who beats your children against the rocks!” Psalm 137:8-9
The Gospels quote Jesus
as saying that a kingdom divided against itself cannot stand. This is true. The
Bible is divided against itself; filled with conflicting and contradictory
teachings. It has produced a Christianity which is splintered and fragmented
into thousands of denominational divisions. The history of inter-Christian
divisions and dissensions is a long, very brutal and bloody one. And the Jewish
people were frequently persecuted and murdered by Christians off and on too.
Christianity has proven the failure of Jesus’ prayer that His followers would
be one as He and His Father are one (John
17:11).
I am definitely not
trying to say that everything about the Christian religion is bad. There are
principles and teachings contained within the Bible which are very good. I
know many of you have dedicated your lives to helping people. I know many
wonderful sincere believers who are wonderful people. The fact remains though
that it is a religion based on falsehood, which requires that its followers
surrender their minds, time and money. It uses fear and threats to retain
people’s loyalty. Christianity demands that believers to divide the ‘world’
into two categories – those who are ‘saved’ and those who aren’t. This causes
Christians to relate to others in an unnatural way. Just like an Amway
salesman, Christians are commanded to view people as prospects to expand the
business network. Friendships are cultivated for the purpose of converting
people, not for friendship’s sake. Always in the back of the believer’s mind is
the thought; “People are going to hell without Jesus and I am sent by
God to tell them how to be saved.” The motivation for being good and
charitable is often not so much that they are the right thing to do, but they
are a means to save people, to secure the believer’s own standing with God, or
earn reward in the afterlife. Can you expect a reward in heaven and still be
selflessly serving others? You can’t have it both ways. The same goes for
Jesus' "sacrifice" on the cross. If he knew he was going to be
resurrected and inaugurated as King of the universe, then it wasn't a
"sacrifice" at all. It was a paycheck. Jesus would have lost nothing.
He laid his life aside for a few days and was compensated overwhelmingly by
God.
"And being
found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of
death, even death on a cross. Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed
on him the name that is above every name." Phil. 2:8-9.
I’ve given a lot of
thought to why it took me so long to start asking questions. I've recognized
numerous factors which played a role in suppressing my thinking.
I was taught to believe
the gospel from childhood. My reasoning and critical thinking skills were not
yet developed. By the time I encountered the troubling aspects of the Bible, I
was much older and was deeply inculcated in a Christian worldview. I didn’t
know how to apply critical analysis to the biblical text. This was all I knew
and all I'd ever heard.
Subjective experience
played a big role. The feelings and emotions that accompany religious belief
are powerful and seem to validate our beliefs. I had a number of religious
experiences, some being quite dramatic, that I thought were hard evidences for
the Bible’s truth. A shared sense of purpose and community, accompanied with
stirring worship music and encouraging messages all combined to create a
powerful experience. At the Brownsville Revival I regularly experienced various
"manifestations" of God's presence, as well as witnesses many other
people being "touched by God." After hearing the stories of people
from other faiths, I now realize that each religion has its own
self-authenticating experiences. People feel their faith is real and that’s one
reason they won’t leave their faith. It ‘works.’ If we are to say that
Christianity is true, based on personal experiences or feelings (like the
Mormons feel a ‘burning in their bosom’ that the Book of
Mormon is true) then we have to accept that other religions are true, based on
the personal testimony of adherents of those faiths. Personal experience,
‘inner witness’ supposedly of the Holy Spirit and unusual events are not
confirmation of the Bible being true or not.
The Bible contains built
in mechanisms which protect it from scrutiny by believers. From verses about
the deceitfulness of our ‘desperately wicked heart,’ to verses about not
“leaning on our own understanding” (not thinking for yourself), and God’s ways
being beyond our comprehension, the message is clear: don’t try to reason
through things and don’t trust your intellect. This is a convenient escape
hatch for anything in the Bible that is troubling or contradictory. We shrug
our shoulders and say “Well, God’s ways
are so much higher than ours… When I get to Heaven I’ll get the answers… I have
to trust that God will make sense of everything one day.”
Working closely with
this is the concept of faith, which is the “substance of things hoped for
and the evidence of things not seen.” Heb.
11:1. Faith is evidence? Believing without evidence is a very
practical tool for any religion in which the actual evidence is often
contradictory or sorely lacking. I read a quote recently which rang true
with me: “Faith doesn’t give you answers – it stops you from asking
questions.”
If we begin with the
assumption that the Bible is a reliable source of truth, then we can never admit
that there are problems with it, even if they are obvious. We aren’t allowed to
think those thoughts because it is against the rules! Don't "quench the
Spirit." "Focus your thoughts on the things above, not the
things below." It forces us to ignore or explain away troubling
passages of Scripture. The belief that the Bible is without error actually
forces believers to often ignore the plain meaning of what the writers intended
to say!
Circular reasoning is
also a huge problem. If we are quoting Bible verses which say the Bible is
inspired, to prove the Bible is inspired, then all we are proving is that the
Bible writers claim inspiration. Beyond that, we are proving nothing! Imagine
someone quoting from Batman comic books to prove that Batman actually existed
and that the comics are the true, inerrant account of his heroic deeds.
Ridiculous! But that is no different than what believers do with the Bible.
Isn't it?
I’ve come to recognize
an important mental survival technique for Christians is to be able to focus on
only the ‘positive’ passages, while ignoring or justifying many other very
negative parts of the Bible. Just as the human mind is sometimes able to block
out unpleasant and traumatic memories, the Christian mind must be able to
forget all the troubling and unpleasant passages. Of course, the less you know
about the Bible, especially of the Old Testament, the easier this mind-game
becomes. This helps explain why most Christians have never even read the entire
Bible one time and they rarely study the Bible in any depth.
The belief in an
inspired, inerrant, infallible Bible effectively ties Christians’ hands behind
their back when it comes to testing it for truthfulness. This view of the Bible
turns Scripture into a ‘no-fly zone’ for logic and reason. Christians who would
otherwise normally reject or laugh at stories of men fashioned out of dirt
and breathed into life, talking snakes and talking donkeys, men flying up into
the clouds in a flaming chariot, pregnant virgins, men teleporting and men
calling fire out of the clear blue sky to kill people, don’t even blink when
they encounter these things in the Bible. Why? Because they are conditioned to
believe if it’s in the Bible, it has to be true, even if it sounds crazy! Some
of these same people would be calling these things ‘Satanic’ and ‘occultic’ if
they encountered them in Harry Potter or some other fantasy story. In other
words, ‘inspired Scripture’ causes them to embrace as true, what their mind
would normally tell them is fiction. Belief that the Bible is God’s word also
leads people to try and force ancient, archaic laws and beliefs onto society.
We live in the 21st century, but are trying to dictate our lives with thinking
that dates back to Bronze Age nomadic tribes. Many Christians disregard clearly
proven scientific discoveries because of their prior commitment to the
ideas of primitive peoples. Christian are the one leading the war on science. It
is Christians who are the only ones that continue to reject the overwhelmingly proven
theory of evolution. They even work to outmaneuver the separation of church and
state by trying to get Creationism taught in public school science classes!
After I had thought and
prayed and studied through these things, I was faced with a decision. By mid-December
of 2010, I came to a point where I honestly admitted to myself that I had no
faith in the Bible or God. I couldn’t just go through the motions of something
I was so sure was in fact false. This was an incredibly unexpected
and surprising realization for me. I felt like I had just awoken from a long
dream. Who am I? What is the meaning of life? Am I even asking the right
questions?
I hoped that my friends
and family would understand and not reject me as a person. Unfortunately, I can’t
say that they did. My decision meant going into the unknown without clear cut
answers or comforting beliefs. I found Carl Sagan to be right when he said “It
is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in
delusion, however satisfying and reassuring.” What a relief it became to
begin to understand the world for what it is rather than through the
convoluted, constricted, unnatural lens of faith. This is now my life to
live the best that I can.
I don’t relish
in saddening people I care about. I know that this letter will come as a
disappointment to many of you. The last thing I want to do is bring anybody
down. I have love and respect for many of my Christian friends. So let me clear
the air about why this happened. This transition did not happen because I was
hurting, struggling, or being deluded by demons. This is not about me “running
from God.” This is not about me rebelling. It's not about the devil fooling me.
It's not about me having a bone to pick with God or with anyone else. It's not
a "phase" I'm going through. It is about a realization I have
made based on the evidence that I have. It is about being bold and honest with
myself, no matter the cost. It is about exercising the freedom to think for
myself.
I have no motivation to
question what you’ve dedicated your lives to and find comfort and peace in. But
I feel I owe it to all of you to give you an explanation of why I have left the
Christian faith. I wish that there really were a good, loving god out there.
But I’m no longer convinced there is any such thing. I do know one thing:
We do have one another to love. I know that my absence of faith might cause you
to fear for my salvation. I appreciate your concern for me, but please do not
take this burden upon yourself. I have sincerely sought God for years, with
fastings, prayers and intense scrutiny of the Bible. I have ‘experienced’ God
in a personal way and I enjoyed it. But in the midst of my most sincere search
for Him, He failed to show up with any evidence. The evidence Jesus gave to
‘Doubting Thomas’ when he asked for it was not given to me. That absence speaks
volumes. And just as how Genesis says that God’s spoken word created the world,
His deafening silence has conversely shadowed the world in dark and
beautiful mystery for me to find my own way in. I've found that by using
the one light I have- the light of logic and reason, I will always have a
"lamp unto my feet and a light unto my path."
I am genuinely at peace
with my decision, even though it has been a very disillusioning process. I look
at life as incredibly precious and limited. This life is both our heaven and
hell, right here and now. My examination of how Judaism and Christianity
developed in their beliefs has completely removed my fear of the threat
of Hell. I live one day at a time; learning and
growing. Life is not meaningless. I am free to create my own meanings and my
own destinies. Knowing that this life might be all there is, I should
live life to its fullest. If there is no afterlife, then life is even more
valuable, not less. I don’t have eternity to figure it out. I have the finite
now to live it out.
Not having faith in God
does not mean that I have no moral compass. It just means
that I no longer try to base my values on the subjective application
and interpretation of writings from long ago by people who had a very limited
understanding of the world. It means that I have to use the only thing I have:
my mind, to wrestle with the moral complexities of the world in which we live.
Life is no longer black and white for me. This world is composed of endless
hues of gray.
This letter could go on
and on. But the point is clear enough. I love truth. I love reality. I am not a
bad person seeking excuses for sinning. I am a man who made an intense search
for truth and it lead me into the freedom of thinking without the constraints
and fears imposed upon me by the imaginations of ancient men, men whose ideas
are better left in the bloody pages of our human history, immersed in darkness
and ignorance. It is virtuous and
wise to question anything and everything. In closing, if you ever find yourself
in a similar position, know that you’re not alone. Thank you for taking the
time to read this letter. Feel free to contact me if you like.
"The one who
states his case first seems right,
until the
other comes and examines him."
Proverbs 18:17
Sincerely,
Adam Vigansky
adamvigansky@gmail.com
My earlier comment seems to have evaporated into the ether.
ReplyDeleteAlthough I still believe in the existence of God, I agree with most of what you have written. I need people like you in my life to keep me questioning, thinking, defending, or even changing my position if evidence and logic warrant such a move.
Thank you, Jonathan. And on that note, it's true that most Christians around the world accept the science of evolution. How they reconcile that with their faith is another topic. But it's not "off the table" for a Christian to have different views than Fundamentalists. There are core tenants of the faith. But these do not necessarily address what one thinks about a variety of issues.
DeleteHi! I'm currently, a devout Christian. After reading about the Dead Sea Scrolls and Nag Hammadi texts/library I have been questioning a lot more than I was at first... God's anger vs God's love. Dicsiplining/spanking children; the rod! And I had no idea about Psalms 137:8-9, WOW! You made a lot of great points. I read the scriptures where you compared inaccuracies and in 1 Sam 17:50 David killed Goliath. In 2 Sam 21:19 Elhanan killed Goliath's brother. In 1 Sam 28:6 Saul first inquired to God alone, then he called for a medium to help him inquire after God did not respond. 1 Chron 10:13-14, Saul inquired with the assistance of a medium. Those are a couple things I noticed, but other than that it seems like you're right. Honestly, for me, I feel discouraged, confusing (God is not the author of confusion). Just this year I began to notice how us Christians make so many excuses for God because of the bad things that take place today. I don't understand why we're told to forgive 70x7 and love our enemies, but a simple sin (ie lying) by a faithful Christian can send a person to hell while all a pedophile serial killer has to do genuinely repent and he's saved. Where is the believers holy favor if God rains on the just and the unjust? I'm still praying though. I want to believe. I realize how easy it is to believe my way into prayer and worship. The more I think about all "God has brought me through" and how great God is according to the scriptures, the more I cry, raise my hands, and yell "thank you!" and other words of praise and gratefulness. But have you seen video footage of a Michael Jackson concert from the 80's? People screaming, crying, passing out, yelling "I love you!" as if MJ has done some miraculous work in their life similar to how people praise at church. Is it all mental? I also think about how Christianity became so popular amongst African Americans... My enslaved ancestors were beat, shamed, and murdered while their slave masters forced Christianity on them, brain washing them, leading them to believe Jesus is the only way to the freedom they desired. Was their "enlightenment" of the Biblical scriptures a blessing in the disguise of a sadist slave master? It's a lot to think about. I'm going to keep praying though. Mustard seed faith, right?
ReplyDeleteThanks for reading my letter. I'm not sure who this is. But I'm glad that I encouraged you to question the Bible's claims. Keep on exercising your freedom to think and question everything. There is no one whose claims are not subject to questioning. You raised a lot of great questions. As for Elhanan, it depends on which translation you are reading. When you look at the Hebrew, it's evident that the copyists made mistakes and attempted to correct the mistakes by altering the text to agree with 1 Samuel 17. There are also more than one way to translate the Hebrew in this verse. Hebrew contains no vowels or spaces between words. Sometimes the same letters can be translated in more than one way. This verse is just such a case. At any rate, it is clear that the original Hebrew did NOT say "brother of," nor would it sound natural to say that Elhanan killed Goliath's brother instead of just saying what the giant's name was and maybe adding that he was Goliath's brother.
DeleteAs for slavery, I am taken back by how receptive the African American population believes in Christianity and the Bible without much question. Both Islam and Christianity not only accept slavery but legislate it as well. Jesus even said that the kingdom of God is like a slave who didn't know his master's will, didn't do his master's will and will be "beaten lightly" for his failures (Luke 12:48). I don't think that ANY type of slavery is humane. In fact, if I were God, one of my ten commandments would be "Thou shalt not enslave any human beings." Instead, the Ten Commandments state that "Thou shalt not covert they neighbor's... Male slaves nor female slaves" (Exodus 20:17). I would not worry about people working on a Saturday night and then demand that anyone who picks up sticks on Saturday night be stoned to death (Numbers 15:32). It's not an African American issue so much as a human issue that people in general are prone to have a "slave" mentality. People want to conform, be a part of a herd, have a leader tell them what to think and what to do. People don't generally have the courage or desire to think for themselves or to question what they're told. If anyone should question the Bible first it's the African American community. Did you know that the Abolitionists had an uphill battle arguing against the morality of slavery because the Bible legislates it? It's true.
Consider this. "The Oracular Decisions of God have positively declared that the Slave-Trade is intrinsically good and licit, [and that the holding of slaves] is perfectly consonant to the principles of the Law of Nature, the Mosaic Dispensation, and the Christian Law" wrote one Raymond Harris in Scriptural Researches on the Licitness of the Slave-Trade. He claimed "the positive sanction of God in its support." Slavery was viewed as the will of God. Obviously, this God is a slave master and a bigot.
And yes. People love to have idols, be they pop stars (Michael Jackson) or gods. It's more comfortable to have someone else tell you what to think and what to do than to wrestle with moral complexities yourself. Please, continue to question things. Continue to follow the evidence wherever it leads.
Why do you believe what you believe? How do we know if what we believe is true is actually true?
DeleteI don't believe in gods. I don't think there is enough evidence to warrant belief.
Think about all those things you question what evidence supports it what evidence contradicts it? questions are a good thing trying to rid one self of the blinders that is personal bias is a good thing. and its OK to be a skeptical African American. there are more of you out there than you think.
I received this heart warming reply from a former Bible school classmate:
ReplyDeleteAdam,
Thank you for the well worded, well thought out, and scholarly Facebook message. I too decided to walk a different direction away from the Christian faith nearly 10 years ago. I feel more happy and fulfilled in life now than I ever did while living the Christian lifestyle. I will save your essay for reference if anyone ever questions my life choices & my diversion from my "faith" in the future. My decision was far less of a scholarly journey and more based on life experiences of life "outside the bubble" that we became so comfortable in while at FIRE. Best of luck to you & your family as you pursue life outside of the Christian culture. I know how it feels to start fresh & without the support of friends I once held dear.
You have my support!
Best,
Shelly
Hello Adam,
ReplyDeleteMy journey in turning away from the church was much different from yours and started sooner. It also was not nearly as researched as yours was.
I was always the square peg in the round hole growing up. I never had a lot of friends. I never really fit in with the other kids in school. I wasn't that I took my religion less seriously, but I had questions. I remember asking one of our Bible teachers if Jesus was ever married. How could he understand EVERYTHING we could go through without having been married? How could he know the joy of marriage, having a family, or the pain of losing a loved one unless he went through it? I figured it could have happened during the "lost years" between 13-30. He seemed uncomfortable and said that there was no evidence that he was married, so he probably wasn't. He was probably born with that knowledge. In retrospect it seems like a cop out answer. I noticed how a lot of people in the church, despite professing to be Christian, were not very nice people. They seemed to rejoice in keeping their blinders on and focusing on God to the neglect of all else. I grew up curious, loving to read and learn.
Most Christians tend to stay within their sect. Catholics don't mix with Pentecostals, who ignore Baptists, who make fun of Presbyterians, who mock Lutherans, and so on. I had doubts early. My biggest shock came in college. In my Old Testament class, the professor said he didn't believe in a Rapture. My mind was blown! How could a Bible PROFESSOR not believe in one of the major tenants of the faith? I spent a lot of time thinking.
I stopped going to church about this point. I had doubts. I did not want to go and treat the church as a social club. I felt it would be disrespectful. I knew what I believed. Playing musical churches wasn't the answer. About this time I had come to the conclusion that I don't have a problem with Christianity, I just have a problem with Christians. I remembered all the smug self-righteous people from our church, the ones who only looked within. They wanted to sit and polish the jewels in their heavenly crowns instead of helping others unless it was preaching to them. I don't remember the church ever having a clothing or food drive, sponsoring a soup kitchen, hosting an AA, NA or GA program. After all, they were just there to preach the good news. God would take care of them once they accepted him. Yes, there were those who DID do those things, but they seemed to be the exception to the rule. They seemed to be more worried about someone's spiritual needs. They wanted everyone to be spiritual warriors out on the front lines. I wanted to be one of those ensuring that things were taken care of afterward. It wasn't that I lost faith in God, I lost my faith in the people who claimed to represent him.
Today, If I HAD to pick a church to attend it would probably be the fictional Church of Humanity Unchained, Reformed. Their belief that everything in this life is a test for you to do your best at resonates with me. You don't have to pass the test, just do your best. God is still revealing himself to us. It's is OK to question everything, even the religion itself. Understanding and learning is what life is about.
On a good day I am agnostic. On a Bad day, an atheist. I was having a bad day once and a good friend told me she thought I should start going to church because I needed God. In a fit of pique I told her that God didn't exist and he was invented by the weak to control the strong. Her jaw dropped. She asked me if that is what I really believe. I honesty said "Some days, yes"
I don't try to tell people what to believe in. What they choose to believe is up to them. I don't mind talking about what I believe, but I won't try to convince you I am right or wrong. I honestly believe that churches should be more LOCAL and be an exemplify what we SHOULD be like instead of telling people what they CAN'T be. The church should be a place to instill morals, not doctrine.
There are a pair of youtubers (qualiasoup, therimintrees) that have really great videos on atheism/non belief. They did a collaborative effort call "instruction manual for life" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAIpRRZvnJg
DeleteWhile it may not be exactly reflective of your situation I think it may be something that may help youot that you may enjoy.
If you feel like you are missing the sense of community church provided I suggest becoming active with a local freethinker/atheist/agnostic group. There is likely one near you. How do you find one? Try meetup.com or even simply Google atheist and your location.
On Sunday the group I am co director of is having our highway clean up. A friend of mine that is co director of a nearby group raised 200 lbs of food last year at her Halloween party and next month they are going to a particle accelerator. the point is you want to do do all those thing you have issues with the church not doing enough, join a local group, besides having someone to do these charitable actions with they have social event too and some of the most interesting conversations
The point is there are nonbelievers doing good things and you could be too.
Kevin M Bruce
co director of Kenosha Racine Area Freethinkers (KRAFt)
Thanks, Adam.
ReplyDeleteI wrote my own letter to Christian friends explaining my deconversion several years ago.
http://philstilwell.wordpress.com/2008/12/07/reasons-for-my-deconversion/
There's so much wrong with this I'm not even sure where to begin. I guess a good place is that Dawkins quote, from The God Delusion, comes from a book that actual atheist philosophers, like Michael Ruse, has said makes him "embarrassed to be an atheist." I find it hard to believe you were honestly aware of good Biblical scholarship if you were led to question it by the likes of Dawkins, Dennett, and Stenger, some of the worst atheist thinkers around.
ReplyDeleteI'm not trolling, by the way. I was honestly puzzled by that.
I'm not defending everything Dawkins wrote. What I did was quote him one time. And I am convinced that his quote is an accurate description of the God of the Bible. “The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.”
Delete"There's so much wrong with this I'm not even sure where to begin."
DeleteYou begin by picking ONE point and showing it to be incorrect. "I don't know where to begin" is the excuse used when you can't show ANY of the points to be incorrect.
Similarly with The God Delusion. Is there something wrong with its claims? Great, let's hear one rebuttal! An "I didn't like it" quote from somebody is no rebuttal at all.
(Adam, my apologies if this shows up more than once. The site is giving me trouble with posting.)
There is a way that seems right to a man but the end thereof is death. Prov 14:12
ReplyDeleteThey went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us. 1 John 2:29
And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life. Matt 25:46
@Don Harman - Another Bible-zombie who can quote verses. You have accomplished nothing being making yourself feel good. Your magical book holds no fear for those who have examined its origins and content.
DeleteDon, you're probably new at this. You see, threatening an unbeliever with what he believes is an imaginary place of an imaginary god's eternal wrath doesn't work.
DeleteDo you want me to worship God out of fear of His power? If so, you are saying that "might makes right."
Do you want me to worship God out of love of His goodness? Then why is there a threat of Hell to ANYONE at all? Why?
You can't play both sides.
CS Lewis
ReplyDeleteIf what you want is an argument against Christianity (and I well remember how eagerly I looked for such arguments when I began to be afraid it was true) you can easily find some stupid and unsatisfactory Christian and say, "So there's your boasted new man! Give me the old kind." But if once you have begun to see that Christianity is on other grounds probable, you will know in your heart that this is only evading the issue. What can you ever really know of other people's souls-of their temptations, their opportunities, their struggles? One soul in the whole creation you do know: and it is the only one whose fate is placed in your hands. If there is a God, you are, in a sense, alone with Him. You cannot put Him off with speculations about your next door neighbours or memories of what you have read in books. What will all that chatter and hearsay count (will you even be able to remember it?) when the anaesthetic fog which we call "nature" or "the real world" fades away and the Presence in which you have always stood becomes palpable, immediate, and unavoidable?
The ontological,cosmological, and moral law arguments for the existence of God then once his necessary existence has been established then to my knowledge no other worldview even comes close to the way I perceive reality other than Christianity.
ReplyDeleteI think you've been listening to William Lane Craig exclusively for way too long.
Delete"I think you've been listening to William Lane Craig exclusively for way too long."
DeletePerhaps, but this hardly invalidates the arguments he presents. One could just as well say you’ve been listening too much to John Loftus (indicated by your use of the outsider test) and other new atheist types. Do you think WLC's arguments are bad arguments? I hope you take some time and post something on them. It would be interesting to see where you think they are not sound.
The list you provided “Are the events it describes supported by historical and archeological evidence?”, etc. seems to indicate an upbringing in a subclass of rigid evangelicalism. Of course this kind of evangelical belief is very susceptible to skeptical criticisms. But to be a Xian requires only a handful of key beliefs as outlined in the early creeds.
William lane Craig hasn't made one single valid argument. Every single time he debates, he rambles on about "intrinsic moral values" coming from God without ever establishing that people have intrinsic moral values or what these values are. He assumes the existence of the Christian god. He does not once actually reply to the valid arguments made against his position. He's a charlatan. That's why Richard Dawkins won't give him the time of day. I wouldn't either.
DeleteWLC's arguments for the resurrection are the same ones as Lee Stroble's: full of holes that he won't acknowledge.
Agreed. William Lane Craig is the best example of the worst example of an authority...
DeleteIt sounds like you're suggesting that Adam is only an atheist because he had been apart of the wrong denomination. Are you suggesting that he has 'too' Christian and that was his downfall?
Adam
DeleteThere’s a difference between an argument’s validity and its soundness. All of WLC’s arguments are valid. The question is whether they are sound, which requires examining the truth of the premises of the arguments. Calling him a charlatan doesn’t defeat his arguments. Saying he doesn’t respond to counter-arguments is incorrect. His works are full of such replies. One can disagree with them, but that doesn’t make him a charlatan.
WLC’s not the only person who has ever argued for the resurrection. N.t. Wright, Gary Habermas, Mike Licona, Stephen T. Davis come to mind. Have you read their works?
I hope you do some posts on the theistic arguments. I think people would like to know why you find them unpersuasive.
DeleteKatie
"It sounds like you're suggesting that Adam is only an atheist because he had been apart of the wrong denomination. Are you suggesting that he has 'too' Christian and that was his downfall?"
Okay, I suppose you’re partly right. I’m suggesting, based on his list, that being inculcated with a particular view of biblical inerrancy can create problems for some Xians; namely, if one part of the bible can be found to be inaccurate, the whole bible should be considered inaccurate. But surely this goes too far. First, the part considered inaccurate needs to be examined by way of genre (what kind of literature is this portion?), and context. Second, even if parts of the bible are found to be inaccurate, that doesn’t negate the whole thing, just as some errors in some modern historical book doesn’t render the whole book worthless. (Take a look at the NTtimes book review or any current review journal. A reviewer will poke holes in a book but still recommend it.)
Krishnam, I challenge you to give me one single example of WLC making a valid point. What do I mean by a valid point? An argument is valid if the premises are true. If the premises are all totally true then the conclusion will be true. There can not be a situation where all the premises are true and yet a false conclusion is made.
DeleteHere is a case in point of WLC's dishonesty: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgxUTJmcWsM
Here's just one debate. You can watch WLC dodge every single question posited to him. WLC tries to bait and switch Krauss. WLC ignores centuries, nay, millennia, of philosophers' exploration of metaphysics and ethics. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ol-A_SU3m5c
There’s a difference between an argument’s validity and its soundness. That is true. And that's what I meant to say. I made a mistake.
DeleteWhat I mean is, WLC does not have any sound argument that:
A. There is a god and
B. The Christian god is the true god and
C. Jesus rose for the dead.
Son of Puddleglum, "Okay, I suppose you’re partly right. I’m suggesting, based on his list, that being inculcated with a particular view of biblical inerrancy can create problems for some Xians; namely, if one part of the bible can be found to be inaccurate, the whole bible should be considered inaccurate. But surely this goes too far. First, the part considered inaccurate needs to be examined by way of genre (what kind of literature is this portion?), and context. Second, even if parts of the bible are found to be inaccurate, that doesn’t negate the whole thing, just as some errors in some modern historical book doesn’t render the whole book worthless. (Take a look at the NTtimes book review or any current review journal. A reviewer will poke holes in a book but still recommend it.)"
DeleteI agree with most of what you said there. And I'm aware of the rules of exegesis with considering as much of the context as possible. Anyone can always dismiss an interpretation of a text by saying "That's out of context." Its happened to me many times. This usually comes from people who've never even cracked open a single commentary or done their homework about the Bible's background and cultural contexts.
I also didn't say I agreed with everything that those men I listed teach. They each disagree with each other in various points. I'm aware of that. I'm not going to concede that if I'm not a Calvinist/Reformed theology adherent then I'm deceived by Satan and misunderstanding the message of the Bible. That's a sill argument I won't even engage in. I don't know if you're of that persuasion or not. I'm just putting this out there.
Being a Christian does only require subscribing to a small handful of tenets such as those in certain creeds. I mostly agree. However, that would be a rather shallow faith. But it would be a genuine faith. I'm not one for "leaving it to the experts" in such important matters such as eternal salvation. One must have faith the Bible is the word of God in some sense or one has no source and foundation of his or her faith. That's where problems begin mounting. If there is an all powerful, all knowing, all loving God then said God would have no difficulty doing anything at all. That God would not have any challenges communicating. That being the case, the Bible is clearly full of historical errors, contradictions, barbaric, inhumane, misogynistic, racist and hateful laws and stories. The Bible presents a God with very human traits. He is a terrible example of morality and character. And the most important parts of the Bible, the creation and the resurrection of Jesus, are each presented in different, contradictory narratives. The creation myths in Genesis are 100% false, inaccurate description of the origins of life on earth. The resurrection accounts in the gospels are hopelessly contradictory to each other. They are also laden with plenty of evidence and clues to their being legends that evolved over time.
Doesn't the bible advocate for fundamentalism? A doctrine that was divinely inspired by god shouldn't fail the test of time, and if it does, then we should scrap the whole thing if it can no longer apply to today. If I were to read a book that I later found had huge holes in its data, I'd certainly question the other facts being presented by that author and probably not use that book as a resource. It would be foolish to devote my life to a book that has been proven to be false on its most important points! I.e. the creation stories, the resurrection of Jesus, God's morality... In order to bypass those errancies, one must adopt a more flexible system of interpretation. That way, one can reason through all the inaccuracies and continue to follow that which is palatable. Fundamentalism doesn't allow for this. It seems as though you recognize that taking Christianity too seriously is a bad thing. So why take any of it seriously? How does one decide what parts of the book are true and should be applied to todays, while other parts should be disregarded? Why fight for something that the only source material has more errors in it than written words?
DeleteOMG! Adam. Please don't send me links to such debates where atheists show their unsocial and unethical character. Krauss made a fool out of him with his weird actions and funny behaviour. I have closely followed the debates between Krauss and WLC and the outcome is Krauss lost on every front — civility, dignity and behaviour. Krauss even modified and misinterpreted one of the thoughts from a scholar and presented it a wrong way. Very misleading. And Krauss's rhetoric is childish. The moderator has to teach Krauss some manners.
DeleteIf you see, already the experts have given you some of the best examples before which all your claims come crumbling down.
Anyways, we are still waiting for your come out of this virtual world and put forward your points an open debate with Nick. Can you do it?
Adam
Delete"If there is an all powerful, all knowing, all loving God then said God would have no difficulty doing anything at all. That God would not have any challenges communicating."
This assumes some things about God that may not be justified, such as that He can do anything at all. One could extend that and ask, “Why think God would WANT to do something just because He’s able to.
Now, one way God could give a completely “divine” account of things would be completely take over a human author’s will and personality so that the human has no choice but to write what God wants. And then do the same for any reader so that he or she has no choice but to accept it as God’s word.
In other words, God would have to suspend a person’s free will in order to deliver his word. Or one could come up with some other speculative scenario.
But there’s no reason to believe God would do this (even while accepting that He could). The suspension of free will would violate human autonomy that would make any divine commands to believe in God and to do good works, say, superfluous.
On the other hand, if God wanted to provide a written document that conveyed spiritual truths that he wanted people to know, and whose content and transmission could be investigated for reliability, all that is required is for works written by people in a position to know certain things, such as eyewitnesses to the resurrection. That is, He need only provide sufficient information so that those who sincerely want to know God will, while those who don’t are under no obligation to do so.
Human writers might make mistakes, might use figurative speech when describing God, might impose their own political slant on historical matters, etc. But despite this, the central spiritual message can remain intact.
Obviously one would have to take the time to address each disputed passage in depth. But the central event of Xianity is the resurrection, and I don’t think your pessimism about those accounts is warranted
Katie
DeleteThe center of Xianity is Christ and his resurrection. Thus, anything that Christ and his apostles say is what should be applied to us today. And there are good reasons to think the NT accounts are historically reliable. One way to determine this is to study Acts and then work back from there since there are numerous historical details found in Acts that have been verified
Nick, fundamentalism is the result of people taking a book seriously that they thought was divinely penned. If I thought that book was written by God, I couldn't argue taking it any other way. It makes complete sense to be obsessed with something that would be so important. God will send you to hell for the tiniest thing; I would damn well make sure I follow his rules to the 'T'. He never made an exception for the future peoples to act differently. Tell me where it says that! Why would you think it wasn't intended to be followed to the letter today?
DeleteI know why; because it was made up by Bronze Age, ignorant desert dwellers that were desperate for salvation from their horrible life. They couldn't conceive of the mathematics, science or technology we have today. God failed miserably if he forgot to mention any of that knowing that the future generations would be having this very problem. Why write a book that was intended to glorify him, only for the simpletons in the time it was written to be the only ones able to understand it and apply it? Modern people clearly don’t understand it. That’s why we have over forty thousand different denominations, or interpretations, of something that should be the clearest thing ever written.
Implying that because a bunch of people still go to church somehow means that God is real is an incredibly weak argument. It simply means that when you suppress education of anything other than one book, demonize all other worldly things and then impose the threat of hell if disobeyed, you end up with a lot of people just going through the motions so sky daddy won't burn them for eternity. And under your perimeters, we could argue the validity of Islam and come up with the same result. That is not proof of anything.
As far the huge holes in a books data, I was responding to another post where I was asked a direct question about whether or not a book that had been found to be in error in part of its data should then be disregarded in its entirety, and my argument is the information is now suspect and I would not trust its sources at that point. Like the bible, which has been found to have numerous inconsistencies (a small few listed below):
*God creates light and separates light from darkness, and day from night,
on the first day. Yet he didn't make the light producing objects (the
sun and the stars) until the fourth day (Gen1:14-19). 1:3-5
*God is satisfied with his works
Gen 1:31
God is dissatisfied with his works.
Gen 6:6
*God decides to kill all living things because the human imagination is
evil. Later (Gen8:21), after he kills everything, he promises never to do
it again because the human imagination is evil.
*God is all powerful
Jer 32:27/ Matt 19:26
God is not all powerful
Judg 1:19
*God gives freely to those who ask
DeleteJames 1:5/ Luke 11:10
God withholds his blessings and prevents men from receiving
them
John 12:40/ Josh 11:20/ Is 63:17
*God is the author of evil
Lam 3:38/ Jer 18:11/ Is 45:7/ Amos 3:6/ Ezek 20:25
God is not the author of evil
1 Cor 14:33/ Deut 32:4/ James 1:13
*Slavery and oppression ordained
Gen 9:25/ Lev 25:45,46/ Joel 3:8
Slavery and oppression forbidden
Is 58:6/ Ex 22:21/ Ex 21:16/ Matt 23:10
*It is our duty to obey our rulers, who are God's ministers
and punish evil doers only
Rom 13:1-3,6
It is not our duty to obey rulers, who sometimes punish the
good and receive unto themselves damnation therefor
Ex 1:17,20/ Dan 3:16,18/ Dan 6:9,7,10/ Acts 4:26,27/
Mark 12:38,39,40/ Luke 23:11,24,33,35
*The law was superseded by the Christian dispensation
Luke 16:16/ Eph 2:15/ Rom 7:6
The law was not superseded by the Christian dispensation
Matt 5:17-19
*Man is justified by faith alone
Rom 3:20/ Gal 2:16/ Gal 3:11,12/ Rom 4:2
Man is not justified by faith alone
James 2:21,24/ Rom 2:13
etc.. etc.. etc..
How do you make sense of these problems? You decide what God intended to be important and what he flippantly just threw out there to trip people up? Can you argue against that God, in his omnipotent ways, had to have made mistakes? Or perhaps it’s that he chose incorrectly in whom he trusted to write down his all mighty words and he was unable to make the necessary corrections? Either way, the message is flawed.
“Real taking of something seriously interacts with the best scholarship and produces some of the best scholarship.” What exactly is a ‘real’ taking of something? How does one know if they have the “real’ taking on the bible? How do you know that you have the accurate analysis when thousands clearly differ?
Christianity is not probably on any grounds. What you call "chatter and hearsay" is what I call using my own mind to use logic to deduce a conclusion. There is no reason that anyone should believe that there is a god or that Jesus rose from the dead. If you think differently, stand up and prove your point and the world will applaud you for being the greatest mind ever. The Bible presents a terrible god. It makes no sense whatsoever. I would rather tell a god that is ready to throw a person into an eternal punishment that he is a monster and I would rather follow my own reasoning than blindly obey the barbaric commands of an evil god.
ReplyDeleteTry mere Christianity to read if you haven't become too cynical or bitterly committed to your atheistic worldview.
DeleteOne day a day which is imminent you will face Him as judge or savior His words are laid out for you to accept or reject. When you reject Him you reject love like has never been seen or will ever be seen again. When you reject Him it is a sin against love that's why it is so hurtful to you. I am not a young earth creationist. I would recommend you seek out some good reformed theology believers to talk with in person.
ReplyDeleteGod won't force you to believe.
ReplyDeleteI didn't grow up in the church, going to youth group or on mission trips. I was never into religion or any form of spiritualism. I was not looking for God or religion. In 1992 I had a day dream, a vision, an encounter, who knows what....I imagined it, whatever but it happened and it radically impacted my future. I had an encounter with the person Jesus Christ that permeated every part of my conscious being. An encounter of being known, loved, forgiven and accepted, no desired by Jesus that redirected the course of my life. No theologian or their antitype could talk me into or out of such an experience. 21 years later I am still moved and motivated by that original encounter. Since it happened I have studied Christianity inside and out and as is my nature have been an extreme cynic about it. The cynicism drove me deeper and only resulted in an increase of my faith. No, I do not have all the answers, nor can I prove anything, nor even believe I will be able to but at the same time I cannot get away from my own testimony, the testimony of a radically changed life after an encounter with Jesus and a life since where I have witnessed grace working in my life in spite of my own foolishness. My faith is not based on being able to explain in detail everything. I am well aware that science itself doesn't negate nor is even interested in faith. I also admit that my faith is in part based on hope and what a beautiful hope that is. It appears that you have left religion, a religion that was set-up on your own desire to know and be known for knowing. I pray one day you come back at least in a way where you are open to journey and hope in such an immensely beautiful possibility. All the best.
ReplyDeleteHi Steve. I appreciate your story. I have to take your word for it that it's true. But I don't doubt that it might be. I, myself, experienced Jesus when I was about five years old. I woke up in my bed. And there, standing in my room, was Jesus! He had his arms out, like he wanted to hug me. He was wearing white, flowing robe(s). He had a beard. He looked like the medieval paintings. He was shining like the sun with beams emanating from him. The beams seemed to penetrate through everything solid as though the light was more "real" than anything else was. I covered my face with the blankets. Then I remembered the Bible story about the disciples in the boat when the storm was overwhelming them. Jesus appeared, walking on the troubled waters. He said "Don't be afraid. I am." I felt that the Holy Spirit was telling me not to be afraid. So I looked again and this shining man scared me again. I call for my mother. When she came into the room he disappeared right in front of my eyes.
DeleteBut rather than believe my personal experience to be an actual encounter with God, once I grew up, I wanted to KNOW what happened. So I needed to eliminate any other possibilities. I read books about Near Death Experiences. Then I read Michael Shermer's books. Shermer presents numerous examples of scientific experiments and studies that show the ability of the human brain to produce hallucinations. These don't only happen when a person is on drugs or under great duress. They can happen to a normally functioning healthy brain. In fact, there is a small percentage, around 10%, of "normal" people who have had at least one non-induced hallucination at least once in their life. The brain can only be creative with the information already present within it. This is why people have experiences with the deities, ghosts, aliens or fairies. People don't have experiences with gods that they've never heard of before.
DeleteThere is a device called the "God helmet" that can induce experiences with God, angels, dead loved ones or other mystical beings. It can induce an out of body experience, which is only a malfunctioning of the brain. In short, I have every reason to believe that my experience with Jesus in my bedroom was a hallucination and not a genuine encounter. And I have had a few other experiences after that one but that was the only one with Jesus visibly there. I do believe that people have powerful, meaningful experiences that inspire them to believe. But I don't think that said experiences are "proof" of any religion's veracity. There are plenty of other means to prove the veracity of any religion. And they don't require personal experiences. They require examination, testing and the use of reasoning.
DeleteI'd be interested to see Adam come to the Tektonics or Deeper Waters section of TheologyWeb.com to publicly debate these issues. From here, it looks like one brand of fundamentalism was exchanged for another.
ReplyDeleteExactly what is Fundamentalist about my letter? Is it that I have confidence? Ad Hominem attack. Typical Christian. Next!
DeleteAlso, I checked those first two pages. I couldn't find anywhere where I could post anything. Links or direction might help.
DeleteAh yes. Assume that there can be nothing fundamentalist, claim attack, and then disregard.
DeleteYes Adam. The problem is that you had an all-or-nothing mindset. YEC and Inerrancy are the two chief culprits. As soon as those go when they're given a heightened position, as they were, the walls come tumbling down. Also, you approach the text from a modern Western perspective that asks that it be done in a way that fits Modern Westerners. It's not. It's from an entirely different culture and place and understanding it in its social context is important.
Tektonics on TheologyWeb can be found here: http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/forumdisplay.php?24-Tektonics
Deeper Waters can be found here:
http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/forumdisplay.php?23-Deeper-Waters
My blog post is my own personal "coming out of the closet as a free thinker" letter. It is not a challenge to formally debate anyone and everyone that might come along. My blog post is also not trying to suggest that I am the most qualified person to debate these issues. I don't have a PhD that would qualify me to have a genuinely scholarly debate with someone. What I do have is my life experience, my knowledge from personal studies and from my Ministry School education and some college. This is not going to be a contest over who's more well read, more educated or more eloquent with words. This blog post is my open and honest sharing of where I am at with my views and a brief sampling of why I think this way now. It is not a book. It is not comprehensive.
DeleteI am obviously willing to talk with some people in the comments section of this blog. However, I only have so much time. I have yet to really give those websites a good look. I am not promising that I will or will not debate with anyone. But I will say that, based on my experiences on CARM, a few other religious online discussion forums and Facebook, my expectations of Christians in debate and discussion are highly dubious. Most often they are immature, rude, condescending, ignorant of important information or world champions at cognitive dissonance. I'm not interested in wasting any more time on a close minded person like that. And anyone who starts championing William Lane Craig fall somewhere in that category.
I am not about to take a huge list of authors and books and then pound through them all in order to satisfy the personal requirements of a Christian for me to be qualified to have my views considered. I am all for the reading of more books. And I plan to continue to do so. But I'm not going to jump through hoops to please anyone. The author of Ecclesiastes wrote: "... Of making many books there is no end, and much study is a weariness of the flesh. The end of the matter; all has been heard. Fear God and keep his commandments, for this is the whole duty of man." Ecc. 12:12-13. This spells out the issues. There is always more to learn. That is true. But according to this verse, what is more important is to fear God and keep his commandments. That is the entirety of the duty of mankind. This means that the main issue is whether or not there is a God in the first place. The second issue is what are the commandments of said God? I am convinced that the evidence that we do have overwhelmingly indicates that the Biblical God(s) does not exist and his commands are largely unethical, barbaric and not the highest possible example of morality.
>>> What I do have is my life experience, my knowledge from personal studies and from my Ministry School education and some college.
DeleteHow nice. So even though you don't have an ounce of qualification to judge these issues, you went ahead and posted a long, rambling discussion of them anyway. That's awesomely responsible of you.
>>This blog post is my open and honest sharing of where I am at with my views and a brief sampling of why I think this way now. It is not a book. It is not comprehensive.
Then slice out the frinkin' arguments and just keep it personal.
>>>>I am obviously willing to talk with some people in the comments section of this blog. However, I only have so much time. I have yet to really give those websites a good look.
Sure, you have time to spread the misinformation and write 1 million posts about it, but not correct it. Gotcha. Nice to see you have the excuses all lined up.
>>>I am not about to take a huge list of authors and books and then pound through them all in order to satisfy the personal requirements of a Christian for me to be qualified to have my views considered.
But again, you sure will post a lot of misinformed blather on the subjects those books cover. Righto.
>>> The author of Ecclesiastes wrote: "... Of making many books there is no end, and much study is a weariness of the flesh. The end of the matter; all has been heard. Fear God and keep his commandments, for this is the whole duty of man." Ecc. 12:12-13. This spells out the issues. There is always more to learn. That is true. But according to this verse, what is more important is to fear God and keep his commandments. That is the entirety of the duty of mankind.
Yep, still using the Bible like a fundamentalist. You do understand that Ecclesiastes is an example of Ancient Near Eastern proverbial dialogue literature, right? Which means your absolutist appeal to those passages is an exegetical sham.
Keep up the good work on the excuses.
Imagine singling out single sentences out of an ocean of an explanation of how despite being so well self-educated and aware, there will be people out here expecting people like Adam to be scholars who can undoubtedly disprove religion.
DeleteDo you have to be a supreme judge to have an opinion about certain laws? Please. You're nothing but a peasant, yourself.
I agree. Anyone who really did read authors like Keener wouldn't really be this stupid.
ReplyDeleteSo you're suggesting that I'm lying about Keener? I bought his NT Bible Background Commentary from him personally when he lectured at my school and we met. I wore it out. I've read other books of his that I have as well. Have you read the secular authors that I listed? Cockiness. The newest fruit of the Spirit.
DeleteYes, you are either lying or purposely forgetting all you learned. The evidence of that is clear from the amateurishness of your posting and the arguments you present. And yes, I did read all of those authors, and many more that you will have never heard of, much less read.
DeleteSee me at theologyweb -- jpholding. We'll see who the cocky one is.
And by the way, you can keep the scalded puppy routine. It doesn't faze me.
Ed — I must say "amateurishness" is the right word for Adam's post. 90% of his objection about the scripture are already clarified by many scholars. They are just a google search away. He neglected all those and calls himself fair and open but he is exactly opposite to his claims. You know what, this is a kind of mean way to get into limelight. Some dishonest people do it from time to time. I don't call Adam dishonest because he still has to accept open challenges and prove himself as a clear thinker. Adam has to come out of his cocoon. Hopefully he would.
DeleteKrishnam, 100% of my objections about the scriptures have been answered by many scholars, albeit inadequately, in my opinion. But thanks for giving me that 10% of my objections haven't been clarified by many scholars. I'm quite familiar with the usual "solutions" that apologists give for my objections. And they don't make sense. If you have some certain thing that I wrote about that I was incorrect in saying, then please, show me.
DeleteI don't have to prove myself to anyone. You feel that I'm not open and honest, I disagree. How do you think I was able to find my way out of YECism? It's because I am open and honest. Try telling your hard-core Christian friends and family that you now accept the science of evolution and see what happens. Then try writing a letter like the one I wrote and bearing the reproach and rejection I inevitably must deal with.
I do not have to accept any challenges. Like I said, I have spent a few years on CARM and other Christian internet forums. I know exactly how immature, close minded, rude and arrogant most people are online when they engage in debate and discussion about ANYTHING that they don't already believe. And I won't bow to any pressure of anyone trying to bully me, scare me, intimidate me or pressure me into any sort of debate.
So far, you, Nick and Ed are not the types I will be willing to engage in serious debate or discussion with. Nick and Ed were flat out rude to me. Ed called me stupid. Nick called me an amateur. You agreed. Well I never suggested that I was a scholar. I AM an amateur. I'm not ashamed of it. I've wasted too much time with immature people with something to prove in the past and I will never do it again.
I do have something of value that makes my blog post worth while. I have experienced the Christian life AND I can honestly say that I have personally met very few people that have gained as much familiarity and knowledge of the Bible as myself. My Christian friends that I knew, lived with and worked with for years could vouch for this. Also, any further discussion about the Bible would make this fact even more evident.
I could say all sorts of condescending things about the three of you based on the fact that you claim to honestly believe that there is a God who in some way inspired people to write the Bible (of all books). But I didn't. And I won't. Jonathan Blocher and a few others who privately emailed me are the types that I would be willing to talk with. But I won't engage further with people who act like you three.
My mistake again. It was Ed who used that term of me, not you. I just now saw your replies posted.
DeleteFor dedicating my life to Jesus so hard-core for so long, I do not at all think I am out of place for posting my letter. Absolutely.
DeleteNow, if you will keep a respectful tone, is there a specific thing in my letter that you want to address?
Nick, you are making a positive claim that the Jesus of Christianity rose from the dead. With you being the one making the claim, the burden of proof is therefore upon you to provide evidence of this claim. I am asserting that this claim is lacking sufficient evidence to be likely true.
DeleteNick, I denied the claims of the New Testament that Jesus rose from the dead. You are making the positive claim. I am denying it. It's totally your burden of proof. You can't flip the tables on me. That would be equivalent to you asking me to prove that an invisible pink unicorn doesn't live in your closet.
DeleteNope. You're wrong. I denied the gospels' claims that Jesus rose from the dead. You affirm their claims. You made the positive claim. You have to provide the evidence that it is correct. I'm waiting.
DeleteAlso, per your earlier comments, I do not know what your credentials are or aren't. I did not say that I did know. I was only saying that I am not a scholar. And I'm still just as confident that I can defend my thoughts without even resorting to using condescending remarks about my opponents.
DeleteKrishnam, for the record, I'm JP Holding. "Ed Dingbat" is a humorous name I tied to this account as part of a joke once.
DeleteHere is another encouraging reply I received.
ReplyDeleteHi Adam
What a brave, clearly written and well-reasoned letter, which I congratulate and respect you for having written. This parallels my own experience, though I was never a fundamentalist or as committed to the faith as you, nor have I been as diligent in researching the alternative to faith (possibly because I had a scientific education and already had a body of knowledge and an enquiring approach).
I am no longer a Christian – I consider myself an Agnostic. I feel a deep sense of loss for my faith that gave me certainty, but at the same time there is no way I could sacrifice my integrity by going back. I don’t know whether there is a God and an afterlife or not, but I certainly don’t believe in Christianity any more, though I still sometimes pray (my prayer was generally meditative in nature and I do believe that meditation is proven to be beneficial in the same way that secular ‘mindfulness’ is). I think the truth is very important and, if there is a God and an afterlife I am at peace in that I know I seek after the truth.
A story I heard on a UK Radio program a couple of years back profoundly influenced me (and I am annoyed with myself because I didn’t write the reference or the details down). The speaker was, I believe, an anthropologist and the story was presented as having happened fairly recently. A ‘cult’ religious group, I think in California, was predicting the end of the world on a certain date. I believe the leader committed suicide. The day came and went and, hey, the world went on. Over the next few months, the remaining followers re-interpreted the teachings, the group survived and thrived. The parallels are obvious. If you know the details I’d be grateful for a reference.
If you are subjected to a strange, indistinct image, your brain immediately tries to make sense of what you see, producing detail or certainty where there is none. We can see this most clearly with those black and white images which can be resolved as either an old woman viewed face on or a beautiful young woman viewed in profile. I now regard religion as an attempt by the human race to make sense out of randomness. There is a desperate need to believe, when faced by catastrophe such as an eruption, earthquake or epidemic, that somehow your actions can appease the Gods and avert the disaster as well as to have a narrative that makes sense. I think that this applies on a personal as well as a social level, so if we have a viewpoint of faith, we come to view our relationships with our partners as being ‘gifts from God’ rather than choices we make, and difficulties we experience as being ‘trials’ or ‘lessons’ that God allows us to face to develop our characters, to give two examples. I don’t know about you but it’s taking me time to recalibrate my moral compass based on the principles of Empathy and Compassion, rather than Faith, but it’s resulting in a more human and humane me.
Thanks again for your letter. It’s good to hear from a fellow traveler.
Aaron
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ReplyDeleteAdam,
I have meant to tell you this earlier, your article is great. Very well written and you really explain things. I'm sure there will be a lot of backlash from the community. I consider myself spiritual but not religious. The bible has never made sense to me and has just seemed cruel and fucked up.
I remember the first time in college when a friend had said how there's no way it could be completely true, that it was written by man and had been changed so many times be kings etc, and translated so many times. I had started defending it, then I just stopped to listen and really started to think about it. And that started making sense.
I do believe there is a divine energy out there guiding and creating. Do I think one religion has it down? No. Religion is damning and self righteous and suppressing.
I'll check out your blog comments, curious to see what's being thrown out at you. Hope you're well!
Megan
So let me get this straight. Someone wants to argue that there was a man named Jesus who died but then 3 days later got up and walked around for a bit before disappearing to become invisible? I am not in the business of proving the crazies wrong. Let's be honest here. Why would someone who believes in such nonsense be open to something that makes sense? It's a useless debate. Keep believing in your easter bunny's and invisible fairies in the sky.
ReplyDeleteAdam,
ReplyDeleteI came over here just to take a few minutes to look at the comments and am reminded about how much time can be wasted with The True Believers. One guy claims your thoughtful and courageous letter is amateurish (whatever that means) and another thinks 90% of the issues have been resolved satisfactorily (leaving one out of ten not resolved) and on and on it goes. I left Christianity in my early 20s (I'm in my early 60s now). I can't image how much time I would've wasted worrying about the right belief or proper behavior to have in order to fit into their little world but it would've been a lot over the past 40 years. Thankfully, you've gotten out. They're stuck, convinced they're right with all the ammunition to keep you distracted for decades, if you let them. Ultimately, a knowing smile and a life well led is your best response because it'll never end if you keep engaging with them.
I think the one issue that is somewhat problematic when you leave a tight knit believe system is having a community that supports you. There are a lot of humanist/atheist meet-up groups and some areas have humanist meetings on the weekends to discuss topics, books, and just have a good time. So, try not to get isolated and hope your journey is fun and compelling for you!
Rowan Morrigan
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ReplyDeletehttp://www.amazon.com/Things-Hidden-Since-Foundation-World/dp/0804722153
ReplyDeleteYou and I have similar stories and had it not been for the work of Rene Girard, we would have similar conclusions.
The article in the link below, by Adam Viganski, is the best I have ever seen of its kind, and I would strongly encourage every honest Christian seeker of truth to read it. I heartily endorse almost everything he said. He hit many nails right on on their heads, pulled no punches, and made many of his points far better than I could. For me, finally taking the inerrancy of the Scriptures off the table for good, marked a beginning of sorts, not the end, of my investigations into spiritual truth. Through my investigations into extra-Biblical sources of truth (science, metaphysics, other religions, parapsychology, NDE's, and the writings of both Christian and non-Christian mystics and thinkers) I have been able to not only firmly hold onto the important threads of truth that are found in the Bible, but I have discovered additional truths as well. My view of God has significantly changed, and I have come to understand, fully appreciate, and exploit my own divinity with wonderful results. The Bible is not self-authenticating, but that is not to say that many of the truths contained in it cannot be authenticated by other sources of information combined with a healthy dose of sound reason and logic. Remember this: all truth is God's truth!
ReplyDeleteOkay. Firstly: I love this letter. I love the intellectual honesty of it. And I love all the "errors" you have pointed out. It's interesting! Secondly: I agree. Yet I'm a Christian.
ReplyDeleteHere's what I believe: I believe in evolution. I don't believe that the biblical account needs to be taken literally. It is a creation story. I think creation "science" is rather detrimental to Christianity overall. As for all the Old Testament horror: yes. Agreed. Have people not read this stuff? Rob Bell is doing a great series on his Tumblr about this and how the Bible is a progressive revelation and is, for lack of a better word, skewed by the people who wrote it in the culture they wrote it in.
Obviously I don't believe in biblical inerrancy. That said, I do believe in the resurrection. Yes. It does take some faith. And I do know that the accounts don't match up. I tend to go with C.S, Lewis here and his take in Mere Christianity. I believe it is more plausible than not. That said, I also believe in universal reconciliation. I think that many NT passages have been mistranslated to portray a literal hell. For example, when Gehenna is translated as hell. Obviously a garbage dump is not also hell. Etc. But yes. A god who tortures people for eternity is not high on my list either. Couldn't agree more with you there. And there are a lot of good websites about this (not that I agree with everything in all of then, but yes, universal reconciliation can be "backed up" biblically...if you're curious).
And a God who makes an infallible book yet continues to make fallible people, not buying it. I'm sort of the opposite of you. I think there is something (something GOOD!) to most belief systems. I see NDE's and spiritual encounters (of all sorts) as valuable. I don't think Christianity has the corner on God that Christians think it does. Of course, each group thinks they have the best corner. Did you know that the original Christians (before 500 AD) didn't believe in eternal damnation either? Also creationism is an even more recent belief. I don't believe anyone though much of the age of the earth before the 1800's. Anyway. I suppose I can't argue into believing in the resurrection anymore than you can argue me out of it.
Kimberly, well said. My sentiments exactly. Here is a link to my blog. http://allareredeemed.com/daily_thoughts_and_reflections
DeleteWhat do you think of the prophetic visions though? I read in the comments your theories on other spiritual phenomenon (the brain does it). But what about predicting a future event that comes to pass? If it isn't from god, where from? I ask because I have had such visions, which can be verified by people I've told them to before they came to pass. How the heck did I do that? I don't even know. But I don't think I'm the only one.
ReplyDeleteAnyway, as far as I'm concerned, it's better to be an atheist who loves his neighbour than a Christian who insults hers.
Oh. Right. You talk a lot about revelation. I wanted to add that I totally don't think it should be "canon" at all. In fact, obviously from what I've said, I think the whole Bible should be taken more reasonably and seen differently. People certainly have idolized it.
Overall I suppose I am just comfortable not being certain. I don't need a perfect book. I know that God is real. And I know that he is good and that he is love. And also that the pronoun he is probably not entirely accurate. I wasn't raised as a Christian. But I always believed in God. And though I went through a period where I believed in eternal hell and that being gay was a "sin" and creationism was true and the bible was inerrant, I have gone back to what I believed as a child.
I think so long as we don't think for ourselves and let others do our thinking we will end up being assholes. Which sadly is what a lot of Christianity amounts to.
Anyway. I just really liked your letter and your honesty. And I wanted to add how I share a lot of your beliefs but (obviously) not all of them. And yes, it does take some intellectual jumping to believe in the resurrection. But I also predicted the future three times I don't know how I knew the things I knew. So I just go with Shakespeare:
"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,
Than are dreamt of in your philosophy."
:-)
Hi Adam,
ReplyDeleteI understand your perspective and have great sympathy for you because I have had a very similar experience. In my case however, my very crushing transition was from being a strongly believing Ellenite Adventist to a Millerite Adventist.
It's not enough to say I agree with you or to applaud your honesty here. I want more than you've shared because obviously this is only a tiny part of the story.
ReplyDeleteCan you explain why so many young, intelligent people end up conditioned to believe in such faith-based doctrines even in the face of overwhelming evidence that destroys that very doctrine? Obviously it's a form of conditioning and dare I say it a delusion akin to a mental disorder.
I realise we are gradually emerging from a world which was in a religious vice for millenia, so is it just because ignorance is still so widespread that religion simply takes advantage of the disadvantaged?
I don't want to denigrate any individual in order to prove my points, but as a former devout 'insider' surely you must have some inclination why in the 21st century we are still facing an onslaught of religious mania that is keeping maybe the majority of the worlds population from reaching the same conclusions as yourself?
I'm sorry to hear that you've left the fold. I believe strongly in the Love of Jesus and the parable in which he mentions the Shepherd having left the 99 to go after the one sheep which was lost. In that sense and I hope you will remember when you were a Christian, I pray that there will be a successful ending.
ReplyDeleteBy the way, I too had backslid at one time and I thank God that I was recovered. I remember when I was out there that His voice became fainter and fainter. I don't want to ever be in the predicament again when I felt like it was hard to come back. Take care brother and I will keep you in prayer.
I didn't have such a long evolution. I just figured rather correctly that all the mythology had little relevance to me way over in the United States and 2,000 years after the religion was founded.
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